14th December, 1938
D.: Seekers who are in immediate proximity of the Master can get
grace by darsana, sparsana, etc. (look, touch, etc.). But how does
one get the same grace when the person is at a distance?
M.: By yoga drishti (yogic look).
Mr. Chopra, a Punjabi employed in Singapore, is on a visit here
and raised a few questions.
D.: What is the efficacy of the name?
Sri Bhagavan read out the extract from the Vision. It was a
translation of Namdev’s stanzas.
D.: How does the name help Realisation?
M.: The original name is always going on spontaneously without any
effort on the part of the individual. That name is aham - ‘I’. But
when it becomes manifest it manifests as ahamkara - the ego. The
oral repetition of nama leads one to mental repetition which finally
resolves itself into the eternal vibration.
D.: But these are all mental or physical.
M.: The mind or the mouth cannot act without the Self. Tukaram, the
great Maharashtra Saint, used to remain in samadhi in the day and
sing and dance at night with large crowds of people. He always
used to utter the name of Sri Rama.
Once he was answering calls of nature and also saying “Ram,
Ram”. An orthodox priest was shocked at the unholy mention of
the sacred name and so reprimanded him and ordered him to be
silent when he answered calls of nature.
Tukaram said, “All right!” and remained mute. But at once
there arose the name of Rama from every pore of Tukaram and
the priest was horrified by the din. He then prayed to Tukaram
“Restrictions are only for the common people and not for saints
D.: It is said that Sri Ramakrishna saw life in the image of Kali which
he worshipped. Can it be true?
M.: The life was perceptible to Sri Ramakrishna and not to all. The
vital force was due to himself. It was his own vital force which
manifested as if it were outside and drew him in. Were the image
full of life it must have been found so by all. But everything is full
of life. That is the fact. Many devotees have had experiences similar
to those of Sri Ramakrishna.
D.: How can there be life in stone? It is unconscious.
M.: The whole universe is full of life. You say the stone is unconscious.
It is your self-consciousness which now speaks of unconsciousness.
When a person wants to see if there is an article in a dark room
he takes a lamp to look for it. The light is useful for detecting the
presence and the absence of the thing. Consciousness is necessary
for discovering if a thing is conscious or not. If a man remains in
a dark room one need not take a lamp to find him. If called, he
answers. He does not require a lamp to announce his presence.
Consciousness is thus self-shining.
Now you say you were unconscious in sleep and self-conscious in the
wakeful state. Which is the Reality? The Reality must be continuous
and eternal. Neither the unconsciousness nor the self-consciousness of
the present is the Reality. But you admit your existence all through. The
pure Being is the reality. The others are mere associations. The pure
Being cannot be otherwise than consciousness. Otherwise you cannot
say that you exist. Therefore consciousness is the reality. When that
consciousness is associated with upadhis you speak of self-consciousness,
unconsciousness, sub-consciousness, super-consciousness, human-consciousness,
dog-consciousness, tree-consciousness and so on. The
unaltering common factor in all of them is consciousness.
Therefore the stone is as much unconscious as you are in sleep. Is
that totally devoid of consciousness?
D.: But a dog-consciousness is different from my consciousness. I
cannot read the Bible to the dog. The tree again does not move
whereas I move and act.
M.: Call the tree a standing man; and call the man a moving tree.
An American gentleman who also took part in the conversation would
not allow Sri Bhagavan to explain and so it stopped here.